algae/complex_down_regulation/talk_outline.htm
outline for NWAS 2002 talk
December 2, 2001
friendly ammendment to the CSR framework is that there must be different types of regulation for C, S, & R type cells
C - efficient, homeostasis energy to push the metabolism toward an efficient use of resources
S - differentiation or other metabolic innovation that will lead to avoidance of competition under stress conditions
R - pattern recognition or entrainment
Three descriptive examples of logic
simple feedback - NADPH increases and shuts off production
a little more complicated -
longer string -
these represent shorter to longer algorithms for describing the outcome of NADPH
attempt to look at regulation as related to these strategies
what are the characteristics
can only measure outcomes at physiological level
some types of regulation would be too fast, such as the balance hypothesis for the relationship of absorbtion between PS2 and PS1
some would be too long, too many growth paratmeters, genetic regulation
down regulation of photosynthesis happens at the right time scale
sidebar - description of down regulation
model for down regulation
descriptive with 6 parameters
physiological models that use time sequence of responses and threshold or "fancy" response between input and output
Boolean - input either high or low, on or off,
These two types of models show the same behaviors
With Boolean models
can examine the result of all input states exhaustively
in this case with 6 parameters, there are 64 possible starting states and each has a single possible output state
shows the same types of behaviors
modelling - poorly behaved dynamic model, wild fluctuations, can see in both which means that these types of poorly behaved systems stems from the underlying logic
6 parameters
diagram
examples of simple logic
light stays on A2=A1
NADPH from above
for each parameter, generate multiple examples of logic
the length of the string is the algorithmic length
since we can't examine all the logics exhaustively, sample random combinations of these
each set has an algorithmic length -
characterize the outcomes
number of possible states hit in time 2
Figure X. Number of possible states in time 2 versus the alogithmic length of the logic statements. The algorithmic length was calculated as the length of the strings for the logic statements as expressed in EXCEL.
This figure shows a maximum of number of states for intermediate algorithmic length. An intermediate length would be a good candidate for R-type regulation grammars.
number of basins,
a few large basins, whether they are periodic or point, would be hypothesized to be good level of grammar for S-type regulation.
point attractors
simple logic - leading to point attractors
In regulatory space; X axis is algorithmic_complexity and Y axis is either number_of_states, number_of_basins, or length_of_basins
C strategists should fall in the area of short algorithmic complexity and few states
S strategists should fall in the region with more algorithmic complexity and sharply delineated basins
R strategists should have long basins
This is a type of pattern matching, but should not be confused with a highly cognitive level of analysis.
It is a simple algorithm that looks for a pattern, if it doesn't find a beneficial pattern it resets and starts over again. The cell is constantly probing and reseting its state and is driven toward a single, efficient state.
Ruderal algae do a dance to the environmental music. If they start their dance early, they just keep restarting until they get in step. The grammar provides the choreography to the environmental music
These schemes should make some sense physiologically, but the value isn't that these describe particular regulation strategies but shows the relationship between
might help us look at regulation differently - not always an optimization goal
homeostasis - simple control to remain in efficient state
oscillation -
differentiation
cell state progressions - the dance
R strategists in persistant disequilibria
help analyze the literature
example
help design experiments to look at the R strategies
give an example here